Sunday, November 23rd 2008

 

Reviews:  Guns N' Roses

Seventeen Years And Twelve Bucks Later…

By Skwerl

Was Chinese Democracy worth the wait? When we got our hands on a bunch of damn-near finished songs in June, we said it was. And we had always suspected it was going to be, for years leading up to that moment, as rumors and rough demos trickled out of whatever mansion / studio / nudie bar Axl Rose was holed up in.

After all this time, all fans east of psychotic had the common sense to at least suspect that the big secret had been built up too much, that if and when the moment of truth finally came, it would likely be an anticlimax. Of course, the most amazing thing about this album is that it’s in our hands. At this point, what it sounds like barely matters- especially since that cat has long been out of the bag, more or less.

By the time I finally got my hands on Chinese Democracy, there was only one song that I hadn’t heard one way or another; This I Love. And it’s easily the most skippable track on the album. Which is a nice way of saying it’s a shit sandwich. It’s so bad that I need to remove it from the scope of this review; From here on out I’m just going to pretend it isn’t there, like I’ve been doing with the new Indiana Jones movie since seeing the first trailer.

The other thing we need to at least try to put aside is the hype. It’s impossible to separate the album from the legend, but let’s try. Let’s imagine that instead of the band splintering over Axl’s egomaniacal shenanigans, Slash died in a plane crash (or got thrown in jail for life for stealing or something), and an emotionally devastated Axl went into seclusion and he stayed there. Didn’t speak a word, didn’t take any rough copies of his decade-plus-in-the-making album to strip clubs. Let’s assume for a moment, that we all just forgot about Axl Rose. Let’s imagine a world where the Wikipedia entry for Chinese Democracy discusses a political movement.

Then, suddenly, Guns N’ Roses’ infamous frontman releases a new album. And it’s these fourteen thirteen new songs.

Then it’s a pretty damn good album. Some of these songs are of classic caliber: Better for sure- which should have been the lead-off single, no question. If The World, which sounds like a cousin of Album Of The Year era Faith No More; every bit as fervent and timeless. There Was A Time, which sounds like the first single from Use Your Illusion III. The epic, unweildy penultimate (as far as I’m concerned) track Madagascar actually manages to be as good as the outrageous production seems to want to deserve. And of course, there’s my lawyer’s favorite track, IRS. All of these tracks are thoroughly good, and will surely withstand the test of time. I’ll still be rocking these songs when the next Guns N’ Roses album hits shelves. Even if it takes another seventeen years.

Of the remaining not quite classics, most are still light years ahead of any of the hit singles by the top 40 rock and roll bands on the scene today. Hinder’s never going to fucking ever come close to penning anything as good as even the least perfect track, Catcher In The Rye. No Nickelback power ballad will ever be as good as Prostitute.

I got a call Friday night from an old “industry” contact that has been following the legal dogfight I’ve been engaged in since that day in June. He asked me for my “prediction.” I laughed, told him that all that shit was for the squares & geezers to bicker over, that I’ll never be one of those corporate cocksuckers that care more about the SoundScan sheets than the music on the albums on them. I remember watching first week interns studying those fucking numbers as their souls escaped through their noses. I busted his balls for a bit, but then put it aside and approached his question seriously. I said it would do better than AC/DC’s Black Ice- which would be huge in today’s market- and probably better than Kanye, because 808s & Heartbreak is likely to be, at least initially, misunderstood- and it’s already being trashed by critics who are rushing against editorial deadlines to pass judgment. But we’ll see. Unfortunately, the music industry still judges its success, or lack thereof, by CD sales. And even with Best Buy essentially buying every copy, to give away to potential big screen TV shoppers, no album is a respectable meal ticket compared to what the pigs used to enjoy at their old troughs.

Meanwhile, around the proverbial water cooler, among the casual fans- most people- it’s the old gripe that this isn’t Guns N’ Roses, that it’s Axl’s solo project, that it just isn’t GNR without Slash. My response? Bullshit. Not because Slash doesn’t like me. Because Slash isn’t the only dude on the planet who can play the guitar. Because Velvet Revolver sucks. Because the “new” Guns N’ Roses kicked my fuckin’ ass in Universal City in ’06.

The hardcore fans get it right: It’s Izzy Stradlin that’s most obviously missing from Guns N’ Roses these days, and there will never be another Appetite For Destruction without him. Fortunately for everyone besides Slash & Duff, he seems to be the original member most likely to return someday, and our fingers remain crossed.

Chinese Democracy has a lot of really, really great songs. But they were great when we first heard them on bootlegs years ago. And they’ve since been mixed and re-mixed and re-recorded and re-mixed and re-worked and re-recorded and re-mixed, exhaustingly, to the extent that they can’t do what they must- they can’t do what all truly classic albums do: Capture the moment… If not define it. Appetite For Destruction will continue to sell for years because it defined the late 80s party rock scene with a relentless, religious abandon, and was the absolute, undisputed pinnacle. When I think of 1993, I think of Vs., Pearl Jam’s flawless second album. The grunge regime was at its most confident and powerful, and Vs. was the movement’s loudest battle cry, still echoing today. The Downward Spiral changed the musical landscape in 1994, shattering all restraints. It remains a snapshot of that revolutionary moment when everyone started taking hard rock seriously. Through it all, the snowball that is Chinese Democracy had been rolling along, picking up bits and pieces of all of these great moments- but now that it’s finally come to a stop a decade and a half later, It’s hard to know what to make of the thing. It feels like the best retrospective compilation of b-sides and rarities ever assembled. But the sum of the parts lacks something. It doesn’t- it can’t- express its moment. And that missing piece is one of the things we love most about music.

As a sidenote, when I went down to Best Buy to purchase my copy this morning, the cashier delivered the one-liner of the century. The computerized register spaced out on us for a couple of minutes. When it finally accepted the transaction, she looked at me, smiled, and said, “thank you for your patience.”

Chinese Democracy is finally here, and I’m beyond happy to have it. Two thumbs up, so glad to have you back Axl. Try not to take so long with the next one, and please do give Izzy a call.

P.S. What’s up with that fucking bicycle? Next time around, if you’re having trouble finding a graphic designer, let me know. I can totally make myself available.

 

Guns N' Roses

Chinese Democracy

Rock
Released: 11/23/08
Label: Geffen Records
1. Chinese Democracy
2. Shackler’s Revenge
3. Better
4. Street Of Dreams
5. If The World
6. There Was A Time
7. Catcher In The Rye
8. Scraped
9. Riad N’ The Bedouins
10. Sorry
11. IRS
12. Madagascar
13. This I Love
14. Prostitute
 

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25 comments
  1. Leave My Name? says:

    Bullshit. Guns N’ Roses used every member amazingly. Stradlin WAS key to the sound. But so was Slash, and McKagan. The songs were written mainly by the three of them, Axl just wrote the lyrics. Chinese democracy is a good album, but compared to the original GNR… It sucks ass.

  2. Felyne says:

    I’m kinda glad now that I hadn’t heard anything up until the radio releases on Friday. Happened to be passing a Best Buys so went in, it was only $13.99 so got it. Yours was $11.99? I want my two bucks back.
    How mean is the vinyl though? That is cool. Almost had to get one. Almost.
    Told a friend about it, he said “isn’t it just one member of the band now?”. I figure that’s why I’ve struggled to buy it. Should have called it Axl and Friends instead of GNR. Still, this is my attempt to be open minded and give it a fair hearing.
    Did you remember your Dr Pepper? The site spat Fatal Error at me so no DP for me.

  3. Darren says:

    Great review man.

    A few years ago I passed on the chance to see Axl and crew (even though Appetite is probably my all-time favourite album) because I figured that without Slash, Izzy etc its not the real GNR. Sometime after the show it dawned on me that since the rest of the guys hadn’t released any worthwhile music in 15 years or so, I was probably overestimating their musical talents.

    Having heard the leaked stuff there wasn’t much of a surprise hearing the full cd but I still think it’s the best thing GNR (speaking very generally of course) have done since the first album. Better than Use Your Illusion.

    Of course, it’s ridiculously overproduced, and it would be nice to hear these songs as they were written, without a decade of tinkering. But hey, the UYI albums were pretty overproduced too, especially in light of their debut.

    Anyway, there’s a couple of duds on here, and like you say Skwerl, it’s never going to be remembered as a masterpiece that defined an era, but a solid album all round I reckon. Hopefully there’s more to come in the next few years.

  4. MK says:

    Come on, bro. This I Love isnt THAT bad. I remember everyone saying the same thing about November Rain when UYI came out. And look how that turned out.

    As far as the “This isnt GNR without Slash & Duff” whine that everyone has, I continue to ask:

    What sounds more like GNR? Velvet Revolvers two albums or Chinese Democracy?

  5. Joseph Rose says:

    I’ll take This I Love over My World any fuckin day.

  6. Skwerl says:

    haha, yeah. same here.

  7. I think the “(failing to) capture the moment” bit makes the best point anyone will ever make about this album, and probably guns and roses henceforth: it’s definitely what you lose when an album takes 14 mf’ing years to produce.

    While Axl could’ve been rocking my cock off he’s been thinking he’s all bad ass and acting like a prima donna, which works for a little while– it really does. But sooner or later everyone forgets about you and doesn’t care if you’re reclusive or have a bad temper because you’re just some washed up asshole who isn’t doing his job: make and sell music.

    This album can’t possibly capture that moment because in 14 years there’s too many moments and genres and whatever you call the social consciousness-taste-in-music-that-relates-to-right-now thing is.

    I asked my young friend RC Collins what he thought of the new album and he said “its bitchen”.

    So there you have it.

  8. el dimwell says:

    Buckethead owns this record. Seriously.

    What’s unfortunate is that GnR will *never* be able to reproduce this album on-stage. Ever.

  9. lore says:

    quiero tener ya ese album, la mejor banda de rock de la historia sin duda guns and roses…….

  10. lololol says:

    velvet revolver sounds more like gnr than gnr now.
    Adler’s appetite sounds more like gnr than gnr
    Issy never attempted to recreate gnr and his solo act is STILL better than gnr is now. And Buckethead sucks ass.

  11. Skwerl says:

    well, i was wrong on both my sales predictions: kanye and ac/dc are both kicking the shit out of chinese democracy’s first week sales… shows what i know :P

  12. breno says:

    FALA SERIOOO!!! do me a favor bro!? Show me a rock album that sounded as good as this in the past 17 …14…..15…. whatever???? you crititcs dont even decide on how long this took!!!!!! But anyways tell me what was BETTER than this?????? this album is good….. after apetite came out, nothin else was like it… LIES, USE UR ILLUSIONS…ETC…. GNR changed. The other albuns were more ”regular people’s music” ,,,, not that its bad…. but i know a lot of people that hated tracks like PARADIZE CITY…. ROCKET QUEEN….WELCOME TO MY ”BELOVED ” JUNGLE….ETC….. But they loved …. DONT CRY….NOVEMBER RAIN…. KNOCK ON HEAVEN DOOR……ESTRANGED……. And do you know why???? becouse you didnt need to be a HARD ROCK fan!!!!! They made music for every taste!!! Lets start: song number 1.. CHINESE DEMOCRACY ( REALLY SUCK ASS ) …2- SLACKERS ON REVENGE.. just a taste of whats to come…. 3-BETTER… THE BEST SONG…. WHEN THIS SONG GOES O RADIO STATIONS FULL TIME…. NUMBER 111111111 FOR SURE……..4- STREET OF DREAMS….. 2nd hits…. will be number 1 for months……5 IF THE WORLD….. SUCKS…… 6- THERE WAS A TIME….. REALLY!!!!! THERE WAS A TIME……. 7 CATCHER IN THE RYE….. Ok… not a gnr song but people tha listened to AEROSMITH will hear this for months on the radio…..8. scraped….. good rock song……9- RIODS AND THE BEDOIUNS…… a true rock song… the one you hear playing and you dont know who they are but you never change the radio station…..10- SORRY…… HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ANYBODY SOUNDING LIKE PINK FLOID AS THEY DID ON THIS ONE….. any pinkfloid fan will buy this cd just for this song…..11-IRS……. heavy ass metal/hard rock song…. definetly in the number 10′s for weeks…….12.. MADACASCAR…. GREAT SONG, in wich they could’ve taken more time on the arrangments…..13- THIS I LOVE….. it really is AXL’S crying of the cd…. but if you’re in need of telling the one you DIG how much you miss her……… she’s defitly going to take you back…( WHO SAYS THERE’S NO LOVE IN ROCK AND ROLL ???)…. 14…..PROTITUTE… JUST LIKE ” U2”’ GREAT EASSSSSYY SONG TO FINISH A ALBUM…… and this is it!!! its not the best album ever, but people in ””’GENERAL”’ WILL LOVE THIS SONGS……… GNR FOREVER……. AND ANOTHER THING… AXL SINGED THE SONGS THE OTHER BANDMATES WANTED FOR YEARS…. COULD’NT SLASH AND DUFF DONE THIS FOR HIM??????????? JUST A QUESTION…….

  13. Vivian says:

    Dude, I agree with you to some extent about the the album not having it’s moment (and I do appreciate that you were fair in your assessment overall), but… This I Love was my favorite track!! I’ve been a hardcore GnR fan since I was 8 (in 1986) and I swear I went NUTS when I heard number 13!!!! It holds me spellbound every time I hear it. I love every single track (even though I wish they had gone with cleaner versions of Madagascar and The Blues…sorry…”Street of Dreams”. I mean, his voice just SOARED when he sang those live in Rock in Rio, and they couldn’t find a mix to put on the actual album where Axl doesn’t sound really rough? Whatevs.), but This I Love is by far the most interesting and moving. Just my two cents.

    I hear that there will be a couple more albums out…anyone know when? I don’t want to be 50 when I finally hear them!

  14. benedict says:

    It’s not that bad ,I will say it’s one of the best album I bought on these decade aside from linkin parks 1st album.The vocals of axl rose is worth more than anything.I play it on my car,on my living room in fact I played it on my mobile phones music player over and over again.Its better than ac-dc new release,a lot better than mettalicas new album.The ballads are best reminds me november rain,I like street dreams lyrics,This I love,madagascar ok.etc.
    It’s not as good as appetite or use you’re illusion 1 n 2 but its better than any rock band that they release these days.I still suggest and recomend people to listen for it a couple of times then make a proper comment.move on dude and accept whats left of GNR.In the end it will be playing on my player until I got hold on there next album,hopefuly soon.

  15. Noah says:

    You have no credibility with me. This I love is the best song on the album. You, my friend, either don’t know music or you are completely deaf. Horrible review. Worse than ultimate-guitar.com’s review.

  16. dude says:

    Did anyone else have to play with the EQ for 10 minutes to get this album to sound decent at all. Listen to it with high quality headphones- the mix is terrible!!! No bass and very thin all around. I’m not sure its as noticable on big speakers, but I would have expected a better mix for 14 years of production time. Maybe there are too many tracks on each song with 6 guitars plus all the synth.

    Decent album though! Definitely not a lame attempt at recreating the Guns from the past. Its not going down in history or to the top of the charts though. This one is pretty much bombed and will be forgotten. Hopefully Axl has more music in the pipeline.

  17. Scott says:

    I agree with the review, just not all of it. You are right that it is hard to capture a moment that is 17 years in the making, but he manages to capture at least 12 of them from the last GNR to this one. I actually love this album. So much better than the tripe that was just put out by Metallica and AC/DC recently regardless of how well it sells. You couldn’t get away from some advertisement with those two bands in it. I will never buy another from them, but if Axl decides to put a CD out tomorrow I’d buy that one too. It only took me 4 cd buys from Metallica to learn my lesson! Death Magnetic goes on my list as the second worst I’ve bought next to St. Anger. GNR’s songs have life in them and that has to count for something.

  18. fire boy says:

    i give my regrades to the best band in the world CUNS N ROSES

  19. I’ve been looking forward to this album for so long and I really expected the worst. When I finally go ’round to listening to it, I was rather disappointed to be honest. However! After a few listens, it really gets a hell of a lot better. Very much like any Bowie album I’ve ever listened to since the early 90′s.
    I agree that Axl should hook up with Izzy for the next album, and make the sound a little less messy. There’s just too much going on sometimes.

    Also, “dude”, I agree that after setting my EQ, the album sounded a lot better, both in my studio on my Genelecs and my modded Senns. I’m usually for listening to music the way its mixed, but the sound is a little too closed without the EQ on this album for my taste.

  20. ijostl says:

    Of all the leaked songs through the years I was surprised to see what actually made the cut. Of the cut, “If the world” and “Sorry” are thus far my two favorites. Axl must have a lot of material and I was trying to get the Internet word out to him to release three different albums at the same time. But after hearing the selected tracks I wonder just how much material he actually has. I heard something called “strip bar” a while back that I also enjoyed, but I can’t seem to remember anything about it other than it striking me as a different style and that I liked it. Just my $0.02.

    I enjoyed your write up.

  21. Flamez_UK says:

    WTF!!!!
    Chinese Democracy IZ one of the best songs on the album, r u stupid????????????????????

    Also, Riad n the bedouins is SOOOO GOOD!!!!!

  22. tng says:

    I find the Pigeons of Shit Metal more relevant than this waste of sonic space. Perhaps if Axl had twisted his braids just a little tighter something magical would have sprung from his brain. But alas…not so much.

  23. Biz says:

    It is nice to see GNR back. It was too long time since “Use Your Illusion”. This album is not that good, but still shows that Axel is back on the track.

  24. Un cadre magnifique, un accueil chaleureux, une cuisine typique de qualité pour un dîner romantique sur une terrasse surplombant la médina, un petit déjeuner copieux et varié, une chambre calme et offrant tout le confort attendu… le tout merveilleusement situé. Nous ne pouvons que vivement recommander ce Riad.

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