Sunday, December 2nd 2007
Interviews: Queens Of The Stone Age
Interscope Sucks Josh Homme’s Dick
Josh Homme is not what you’d call a soft-spoken guy. Locked in a Detroit hotel room, the Queens Of The Stone Age frontman answers the phone by yelling “Johnny Firecloud!” over and over again. We’ve never spoken before, yet he greets me like a long lost drinking buddy, the conversational equivalent of a fireworks show inside your living room. The head Queen refuses to call Detroit by its proper name throughout the interview, instead pronouncing it “Day-twaa” because “I’m trying to help it. The city needs my help.” All of this seems rather natural as we discuss – through much laughter – the new QOTSA record, Trent Reznor, Radiohead and Homme’s focused hatred for the record industry.
Antiquiet: Why isn’t the song Era Vulgaris on the album?
Josh Homme: A couple reasons. We wanted to give something to our fanclub kids that was good enough to be on the record. I loved watching our record company squirm and go, ‘Our marketing plan!’ when I could’ve gotten Trent (Reznor, who did backing vocals) to be on the album. I also liked that the title track wouldn’t be on the album.
Antiquiet: How was the process of recording with Trent?
Josh Homme: Piece of cake, man, he’s awesome. He and I have a different relationship, apparently, than he has with other people. He’s the sort of dude that does something funny, and doesn’t even act like he did until I start laughing, and then he’ll give me a smirk like ‘haha, you know it, fucker.’
Antiquiet: You two have worked together before, but nobody’s heard it yet.
Josh Homme: I sang something on Year Zero that he didn’t end up using. He wanted me to sing the chorus of this really beautiful song. So our relationship is good ’cause it’s like, you tell me what you need, and I will do that. When it’s not right, you tell me how to do it right and I’ll do it. It was definitely a tit-for-tat situation. I’m definitely gonna work with Trent again. I’d love to have him produce tracks. He’s got a great style.
Antiquiet: Is the Queens sound a conscious or deliberate atmosphere?
Josh Homme: The thing is, that’s from years of doing whatever you want. Everything you do is habit-forming. You will form a habit of one style or another. And it might as well be getting people used to the notion that you’re going to do whatever you want. ‘Cause all the other habits include cow-towing to what somebody else wants. And there’s never a time to do that in music. As I understand it, your obligation is to play your favorite music that no one else plays, so you have to. And my favorite music is hooky, quirky, arty, dark, surprising, heavy, groovy, soft, emotional but not emo. It wears a sweater because it’s cold, not because it’s stylistically there.
Antiquiet: And it doesn’t try to fit into girl pants.
Josh Homme: Yeah, like there’s enough room for your cock and balls in your pants. And it’s in touch with its feelings, but it’s not a fucking pussy, man. Like, I need Lee Marvin, and I need Robert Mitchum. But I don’t need Sylvester Stallone, unless it’s Tango And Cash, ’cause that movie is fucking awesome. Or unless it’s my new steak cologne called Stologne.
Antiquiet: What are your thoughts on Radiohead’s name-your-price approach to selling their new album?
Josh Homme: I think it’s working great for them. I think they’re doing a really cool job of it and a really cool thing. Not everyone is Radiohead. You’re talking about one of the finest working bands in the world. So it’s tough to transpose a situation that works for the finest rock n’ roll band in the world and sort of move it around the cabin. If you were in a band no one knew, that wouldn’t work so well.
Antiquiet: What do you think of the album?
Josh Homme: In Rainbows? I think it’s fucking awesome. The single they released was like, they’re playing fast, right on, let’s fucking do this man. They’re grooving. That song’s got a real ethereal arrangement, it just kind of comes out of a jam and keeps moving, and little things get stacked on top of what we hear before something else gets taken away, you know? It’s very cool. We were in New York when we heard the first single, and we were like shit, they’re haulin’ ass, that’s awesome.
Antiquiet: When more big bands get free of their contracts and start to do it their own way, how do you think the labels are going to react to losing their grip on what’s been their cash cow for so long?
Josh Homme: Fuck the labels man, they suck. The last thing they’re stripping down is their own expense accounts and shit. I mean, Jimmy Iovine of Interscope Records takes a private jet or rides first class to tell a band they don’t get tour support. You know what I mean? Fuck that shit, I’m tired of it. And I’m not gonna be quiet because the American label, not Canada, not Europe, but our American label’s fucking us like crazy, so fuck them. Why should I not say anything, what am I afraid of? I’m not afraid of them. One of the things most notable about us is how we work. You could not like the music, you can do anything you want, but we work and there’s no changing that fact. And all I want to do is what we agreed upon. And I’m not even bitter, people say labels are evil, no. They’re just lame. I can’t download my music from the Interscope website, because they gave that power away to iTunes.
Antiquiet: Sounds pretty backwards.
Josh Homme: Sounds like a bunch of fucking idiots to me. Sounds like you don’t know your business at all. If we were selling shoes, it wouldn’t be like ‘you evil shoe selling fucks.’ It would be like, ‘how come you’re trying to sell shoes to cows?’ You know? I THINK OF INTERSCOPE AND ALL THESE LABELS AS THE BIGGEST FUCKING IDIOTS ON THE PLANET. And print that in capitals, because they can’t do anything to me. That’s the difference. The reason is because finally, for once, the fact that this is just their job and this is my life does a flip flop on them because they can’t stop me from being me and from playing, but they can lose their jobs and have to fucking work at Shakey’s pizza like they should’ve all along. I’m really sad for the days of the glorified groupie with the fucking hundred thousand dollar expense accounts. They’d drop bunches of bands before they would ever cut their expense accounts. And the fact of the matter is that everyone should play music because it’s such a beautiful gift. It’s my religion. But maybe not everyone should play it in front of me. It’s okay to play music in your rocking chair or whatever.
Antiquiet: Well who filters out the bullshit? Someone with better taste?
Josh Homme: There’s so many bands today. What we do in Queens is we make it tough to get in the door, so once you’re in, you’re safe and you can do your thing. That concept is old as dirt. But what labels have done is let anyone in the door, try to throw it all up against the wall, and stick to what sticks. But they don’t know who they’re selling their shit to, you know? So instead of making it tougher to get in the door and having some quality control, ’cause they don’t know what quality is, they’re looking to somebody else, saying ‘is this good?’ ‘Yes, it is.’ So I say fuckin’ start the first fire with their kindling.
Antiquiet: It will be interesting to see what bands do beyond that. Trent Reznor and Saul Williams just did the same thing with Saul’s new album, and now that Trent’s free from Interscope, he’s bound to take it to the next level.
Josh Homme: That’s such a great example. Trent basically did what I’m doing. He was like ‘Interscope sucks my dick.’ ‘Cause they do. I know, ’cause I’m looking down at them right now. Even what they did was lame. They’re like, ‘Instead of doing a good job, we’ll let you go. And we get a little piece of what you’re doing ’cause we know you’ll work on it more passionately than we will, so we’d rather have a little piece of your passion than a big piece of our apathy.’ The fact of the matter is, they’re right. For the first time ever they’re admitting what they are: Not a very good work force.
Antiquiet: The passion’s all at the bottom of the food chain.
Josh Homme: All the kids, like the girl that hooked us up with this interview probably does more work than Jimmy Iovine because she’s in the nuts and bolts of what goes on in Interscope. The underpaid, overworked section of Interscope. The interns and assistants and people that are starting out. I’m ranting because I know what I’m talking about. I’m also beyond pissed, as in not pissed, because I kinda figure they just don’t know better by now. It’s like when a dog shits in the house, you can hit ‘em with a paper but they really don’t know what the fuck happened. How can retarded kids know to not throw a Frisbee at the forehead of another retarded kid?
Antiquiet: How can they not be aware?
Josh Homme: I’m past the point where figuring it out has any meaning because I already know stuff that they apparently don’t know. And I only know it because I almost tripped on it walking in the front door. I don’t mind saying this shit because I’m a free spirit, man. If you think you can hold me down, best of luck to you. They don’t have the skill to hold me down.











makes me wanna stop wearing girl pants…
Johnny Fiiiiiiyacloud!
This interview = Fuck Yes.
this is a very good interview. A little heavy on label bashing (if you dont like the party, leave) but otherwise, very good.
I will check back periodically, looking for more in depth artist interviews, latest news on the rock scene and how the state of music today is in serious disrepair. Any of you guys smoke pot?
welp, i tried to spread the word.
it was a good read, thanks.
-ape
misanthropy today: you can’t just leave a label if you have more albums to do for them. As in a written contract.
i see both sides of the label bashing. on one hand, i have absolutely no sympathy for bands that sign bad deals. next time, don’t get your cousin to do the legal, and don’t rush into a binding long term agreement. don’t settle, and if you do, don’t bitch about it. you agreed to it.
on the other hand, everyone has a right to bitch about their employer. i love my job and i love the company that lets me do it, but i’ve got a lot to say about how things could be improved. and i’m sure the other bands that don’t have it as good as qotsa figure into the equation a bit when josh goes off.
RE: “if you dont like the party, leave”
A lot can change in ten years. Or however many years this contract has been going (not sure about their 1998 album). And a lot has. I think people like Josh Homme and Trent Reznor are frustrated at a lot of the issues surrounding digital music, which record labels have handled very poorly, making the fans feel like criminals. But until their contracts expire, the remaining artists can’t really do anything but complain about it.
Oh, also, this seems to be in response to Interscope refusing to let them release an EP. I forgot the exact circumstances, but this isn’t just some random whining going on.
“How can retarded kids know to not throw a Frisbee at the forehead of another retarded kid? ”
Bwaha! That’s the best. The thing is, the labels are a bunch of fucking retards who stuck their heads in the sand when they had a chance to do something to save their skins, so now they’re all whimpering an whining and taking it out on the artists. Skwerl and misanthropy, I wonder if you work for the labels, hmmm? The fat cats were so worried about losing their zillion-dollar bonuses that they decided to ignore fixing the problem because it may have cost them a ride or two on a Lear Jet. Now I like watching them squirm.
I know someone who worked for UMG for a while. He’s a computer guru. Now, according to what UMG CEO Doug Morris says in this article: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/11/universal_music_ceo_doug_morris.html , apparently Universal has never had anyone working for them who was tech-savvy enough to figure out how to deal with this dagnabit internet download stuff. My friend was way beyond qualified. Did they ever have him work on trying to find a for a payable distribution of digital downloadable music? NO! All they ever focused on was trying to have him track down people who were leaking shit to the internet. He said that if they had focused on digital distribution themselves, that they would have been able to save their asses. But all they ever wanted to do was try to stop the coming of technological advances. Can’t do it bitches. Won’t work.
So you go ahead and rant and rave Josh! Those fuckers deserve a good mud slinging for dragging their own industry into the toilet! Too bad a lot of good artists have ended up getting shit on themselves because their labels were flailing around in the feces. Sling that shit right back at ‘em Josh! Josh is the man.
haha, actually yes, i worked for umg (actually umvd) for awhile before moving on to a more forward thinking company in online marketing.
by the way, for the record, this site is completely independent.
interesting that you mention that doug morris piece. the wired interview it references lies among a pile of research johnny has been doing with the help of myself and some music industry contacts… a massive piece on the state of the music industry and how it’s changing is in the works. will likely be a multi-part series starting soon here on antiquiet.
Josh rules.
I had a record deal with a UMG label until recently. We asked to leave the label and are now operating independantly. Getting a deal with a major was once a dream, but now I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy..I have worked in other areas of business, and the lack of organisation in UMG is appalling.
Everything Josh said is true.
The younger, newer employees are the music geeks who have only ever wanted to work in the music industry. But as the cliche goes..the longer they work there..
Incidentally, the deal we signed was brokered by our own music lawyer, who represents many top name clients in music today, by no means a ‘friend of a friend’..
The problem for bands though, is that once they’re under contract, everything they do is property of the label. And once you realise that they’re not going to do for you what they said they would? You’re stuck.
I get the labels are gay, but I also find it so funny that its always the bands coming down from success that find someone else to blame or take the focus off the art. Has anyone really listened to the last two QOTSA CDs more than a few times? GEEZUS JUST GET NICK BACK IN THE BAND! I bet Interscope gives you your own jet if that happened!
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Greatest interview I’ve ever read.
The day all was ruined was in 1998-1999 when twenty companies all merged themselves into about six, an Interscope took over some vital acts, proceeding to destroy them. I’ve come to adore Josh — he is the essence of what ‘rock’ (or punk) is all about: attitude. Greatest minds of my generation? I claim as my own Homme, Reznor, Corgan, Vedder, De La Rocha, MC-A, and I’ll even claim Marilyn Manson because “the are right”. Power to the People! Fuck the “Industry”. Free the Artists!
Love and respect for you Sir Josh. MTV and Vh1 must be run by the same idiots who run Interscope.
FUCK THEM ALL!
FUCK THEM RIGHT IN THE EARS!!
Thanks for the tunes.
Puddle T RoWdine
wow, it’s eloquent (sp?), thought out, and 100% accurate. Jimmy Iovine is a piece of shit, and the whole board of directors is the same way at Interscope. My first internship out of school was with them, and wow, they’re like the attractive significant other that treats you like shit, but you keep coming back…..Fuck em, fuck em all right in the ear….twice
Wicked interview..josh is so right about american labels….its run by a bunch of white collar schmucks, who don’t even own any cds by the bands they sign. (Like josh said)..they work monday-friday as that is their job…but for the musicans/artists..its their life. Queens/Eagles of Death Metal/Dessert Sessions/Kyuss rule!!! To hell with the labels!!!
Great interview, but bring back Kyuss! The last 2 QOTSA albums are not up to snuff!
labels make product, they’ve made music a commodity. and when innovation cuts the percentage of their bottom line, they punish the consumer. the idea that people who download have devalued music is hilarious. the quality of music from the major label system was devalued by the labels. they’ve tried to squeeze every penny from every shitty band on warped tour to every terrible ringtone of the week by flooding the system with quantity. snack food music, no nutritional value, to be consumed and forgotten.
this guy’s a bit proud. the last two albums SUCK. i put that in all caps for ya.
He’s talking about labels not being in tune with music, but when was the last time QOTSA was in tune with what’s new and hip? And was his band dropped? Does he have the right…at all…? get over yourself, has-been.
Mr. Homme is so on his game (musically and otherwise)
I can only say ‘TELL THEM’. I have 33 years in the music
industry and consider the QOTSA to be Aces High
in what they do. My store in St. Louis has nothing but
mad love and massive respect for Josh & company.
Having seen the Queens live in Chicago last month(with the very
fine Black Angels) produce a ferocious and triumphant set,
the reports of their ‘has been’ status by some is pretty clueless.
I put that politely, did I not?
The last two QOTSA albums suck, aus,? Lullabies had some weak spots, but even the poorest of songs off that record blows away anything most bands can put out these days. The new album his quite good in my humble opinion… how can you not like a song like “Misfit Love”? QOTSA is one of the most unique and interesting bands to come around in the last ten years. Your out of your FUCKING MIND!
And, I’ll leave that in all caps for ya’.
a..aus…lets see you come out with a better CD than any Queens CD..then you can comment on Queens…and what the fuck..new and hip…the REAL new and hip are Queens and co. …they stay true to thier music…unlike the shittyass dime a dozen bands that classify what is “cool and hip”…queens are “cool n hip” by not trying so hard to be “cool n hip”…do you need me to put that in CAPS for yiou?
Without a label, most people wouldn’t have heard of Queens of the Stone Age and Trent Reznor in the first place.
It’s widely known that artists have not been paid proportionally for their contribution since music has been sold commercially (this goes way back). Josh knew this when he signed his first deal, but made a decision to play the game.
Sure the labels were very short sighted about the digital age, but all this whining by these spoiled musicians who GOT WHERE THEY ARE, DUE TO SOMEBODY AT A LABEL WHO BELIEVED IN THEIR MUSIC ENOUGH TO PUT SOME MONEY AND ENERGY BEHIND IT, is getting seriously old.
Tim
Fucking radtastic! John Holmes is my new hero.
This interview is spot on, regardless of whether you like Josh’s music or not. The major labels have screwed themselves on several fronts, and as an owner of an Internet Label (Vegas Flava Records), I’m grateful they’re stupid enough to shoot themselves repeatedly. The big problem with the major labels started when they abandoned artist development and outsourced all their releases to independent producers. No industry can survive and grow without R&D, which is essentially what A&R is supposed to be. Whenthey got into bed with “HIP-HOP and ignored rock bands and real R&B artists, they set themselves up for failure. Noone wants to listen to that crap,but they keep forcing down the public’s throat. Since 2000 Soundscan says the biggest selling artist worldwide is Norah Jones. Why can’t the majors give us more Rock, R&B and Jazz artists that know how to play and write? Why do we keep getting these uneducated drug dealin’ miscreants and these half naked “hoes” on stage shakin’ their asses? What happened to artistic integrity regardless of the idiom you choose to perform in? How many cars would Toyota, Mercedes,BMW,Nissan, and Honda sell if they only catered to the uneducated,unemployed eigth grade metalities of the HIP_HOP crowd? The majors deserve what’s coming and I can’t wait. They’ve controlled distribution and promotion outlets for too long. We’re returning back to art and artists with no rip-off sharecropper contracts!
Nurredin, YES!
Josh fuks some hot bitches so i respekt him
I’m sure Josh was over the moon to sign to the big leagues back in the day.
If you sign with the devil, you can’t say you didn’t mean it later. Seems to me josh isn’t do a very good ‘job’ or working with the people he signed on to work with.
Tell us how you really feel, Homme! He’s probably tripping balls when we gave this interview, but he speaks the truth. Yes sir.
xo,
-Day-twaa
“Tim Says:
Without a label, most people wouldn’t have heard of Queens of the Stone Age and Trent Reznor in the first place.”
TR hasn’t exactly had the best relationship with the labels (TVT/Interscope/UMG) he had worked with. For example, TVT tried to bury NIN when TVT not only rejected TR’s first effort The Industrial but also, attempted to bury NIN when TR was being harangued by TVT into building a more commercial Pretty Hate Machine back in the early 1990s (which led to Broken)
NIN became popular not because of some parasitic label but because of a variety of factors: a live show that is destructive and aggressive, as seen on Lollapalooza 1991 and Woodstock 1994; a slew of great albums, including a masterpiece called “The Downward Spiral” in 1994; the Year Zero ARG that was TR’s enterprise and not UMG’s; TR’s willingness to create an “official” remix presence on nin.com, which was initially blocked by UMG, even after NIN left UMG and a general willingness by TR to stand up for the “little fan” against UMG’s “ripping off the converted” price policy for Year Zero in Australia.
All this without, and sometimes in the face of, label involvement, shows unless labels use payola to gain influence over music TV and radio stations, they play a very little role in artist development, apart from screwing fans over in overpriced vinyl and CD distribution, even if the cost for CD and vinyl production has gone done since the good ol’ days.
The RIAA labels are condemning themsevles to a very slow and a very painful death that they could had saved themselves from if they stopped comfort drinking from the fountains of greed.
NineInchChiliPeppers
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meh, cut and paste muthafuckaz
Holy shit! Talk about fire.
Love this interview, Josh always honest and never afraid to say it the way it is. To the people that say their last two albums suck, go check out the Hinder article and take a look into them. For everybody with a brain get those two albums, and all these rest of their shit, because QOTSA is one of the best bands going in the last 10 years, beyond any doubt.
They are sex, drugs and rock n roll for the new generation, and they are just now starting to make it to the levels they should have been at in 2002.
I also liked the Radiohead questions. Linking up my two favorite bands in this article was great. Thanks Johnny Firecloud.
QOTSA are no#1 in my book. I find most all of their songs well written and “just tickle the bone”
you can quote me on that
omg…HOTTEST guy in the world right here. And most talent..hes amazing
Thats why hes amazng..he is so talented in everything and doesnt care what anyone thinks and has to say…and hes so honest in everything. he will tell it like it is and i love that
I missed this the first time around (thanks Twitter). What a great interview. Kudos to Mr. Homme for preaching the God Damn Truth!
I have changed my mind about Mr. Homme, Johnny. You were right, and I was basing my wrong opinion on 1 concert.
Great interview!
Josh Homme makes me wish I were a guy so I could have a man-crush on him. Seriously. I would have to walk up to him and say, “I’m not gay, dude, but you are so obviously alpha that I have to demonstrate how superior you are to me by being a bottom” and unzip my pants.
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What an amazing interview! QOTSA and Radiohead in the one interview = best interview ever haha
But in all seriousness, Josh Homme is one of the greatest and most intelligent musicians to have ever walked this earth. He’s always spot on with everything he says and he’s not afraid to speak his mind. Both Josh Homme and Thom Yorke should go down in history as the faces for Rock n’ Roll/Alternative Music.
We should be friends…
RIGHT ON JOSH!!!!!!!
Brilliant interview. How rock artists should be. Telling it like it is.
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Josh Homme has the most interesting fucking way of wording shit, the man is a genius. Record companies are like every other company today- overpaying executives, not concerned with their product, etc. I’m glad that a few artists today have the balls to tell it how it is, but it seems like its pretty much at the point where its too late to fix record companies. They fucked up with the whole digital distribution thing in so many ways by not selling music straight from the source and instead hunting down downloaders and signing rights away to iTunes. I’m one of the few people I know who even bothers to buy CDs anymore, and sometimes I wonder why I bother since the bands barely get any of the money (to put it in perspective, a band makes around just 40 grand from an album that goes Gold). Too bad the people at Interscope will ignore all of these problems.
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